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The Chesterfield Town Centre SNT won the Community Neighbourhood Award in the Derbyshire Constabulary last week

This is awarded by our Chief Constable           submitted by CMTsgt          10.6.08


Aylesbury estate

04 June 2008
By Harriet Snookes
TOMMY, a Southcourt teenager is no longer bullied and attends school like any other boy - all thanks to his local Police Community Support Officer. During her time on the Southcourt patch, PCSO Natalie Thrussell has been busy addressing the problems flagged up by local people.

Tommy is just one grateful recipient of her work and was particularly interested in the work that Natalie and her team do on a day-to-day basis. PCSO Thrussell had been taking her daily tour of her Southcourt patch when she found Tommy truanting from school. "She caught me skiving off school and took me to my mum. I did it because I was being bullied at school," he said. Tommy's mother later contacted the school and the bullying has since stopped, said the boy.

Crime has been reduced in the area since the introduction of PCSOs about two years ago, thanks to the help that has been given by the public to their local support officers.

PCSO Thrussell spends her time talking to people within the community, as they are the people most likely to pick up on problems and issues in the area - whether it be teenagers kicking a ball against someone's property, suspected drug dens or substance abuse.

Last week she held a monthly surgery in the Edinburgh Playing Fields - aimed at encouraging the general public to come forward and ask about crime prevention or report any misdemeanours in the area.

PCSO Thrussell explained: "It's thought to be a problem area, more than others - it's a low socio-economic area but it's a very mixed group. There's a lot of elderly people and young people and there's a large Muslim community, as well as four Christian churches, but usually people get on pretty well in Southcourt and a lot of people have grown up together; the mix here is quite a good one."

Being in the school holidays, last week's surgery attracted droves of school children who came to ask PCSO Thrussell the details of her job. "They ask me things like what would happen to them if they got caught with drugs and a lot of them are interested in being a PCSO or an officer."

She said that a lot of the time, people have a misconception about PCSOs: "They think we simply wander around and door knock all day but we deal with low level crime, for instance I will be here dealing with anti-social behaviour and gathering intelligence on people. Sometimes they call us the plastic police. It's our job to know everything about our area and all the people who are likely to cause trouble."

PCSO Thrussell said that operation Falcon has been very dependant on the work of PCSOs and their intelligence gathering operations. Over the last year, a large number of drug dens and dealings have been uncovered and stopped. "The general public don't see that side of us. They don't really see what good we are because we can't arrest people but we have led to people being arrested for various reasons," she said.

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The PSNI said it was shelving the planned creation of Police Community Support Officers (PCSOs) – civilians who would have some police powers, including detaining people for up to 30 minutes.
Published Date: 21 May 2008
By Staff reporter

But the PCSO plan – controversial with some who said it would create ‘plastic policemen’ – has been axed by the Policing Board on the recommendation of the PSNI because of an £88.8 million shortfall in the police budget.

The PSNI said it would also be reducing police overtime because of the funding shortfall.

“There is a shortfall of £88.8 million revenue – the day-to-day cost of policing – between what the PSNI considered an appropriate and necessary level of funding to continue to drive forward change and improvements in policing and the allocation,” a PSNI spokeswoman said.

“There is also a shortfall in capital funding. Despite the fact that there is a shortfall over the next three years the police service will continue to work with communities and their representatives to provide the best possible policing service.

“However, such are the demands facing the PSNI that some difficult choices have had to be made.

“Some policing projects will be affected including the recruitment of the Police Community Support Officers which will not progress this year. There will also be a reduction in police overtime.”

Newtownabbey District Policing Partnership chairman Tom Campbell said that shelving the PCSO idea, coupled with the reduction of police overtime, could create a “crisis situation”.

The Alliance councillor said: “This is a matter of massive concern for the whole community.

“We have been told that the provision of these PCSOs were vital but now we are not getting them at all.

“This devastating blow could create a crisis situation in policing and the reduction of police overtime hours will compound these problems even further.

“Anti-social behaviour can make local people’s lives hell. This lack of progress on staffing will hurt efforts to combat this massive problem.”

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BlackBerrys are the latest gadget being given to police officers in Oxfordshire in a bid to get them out of the station and back on to the beat.              Wednesday 7th May 2008select for article!
Every neighbourhood officer in the county will be handed a BlackBerry phone in a £637,000 scheme to make sure police can stay out in the communities they are looking after for longer.

Armed with a BlackBerry, officers can access the national police computer, photographs of suspects, emails and briefings from senior officers without returning to the station.

Their old mobile phones will now be recycled and used in developing countries.

The gadgets will be delivered to about 300 neighbourhood police officers and police community support officers later this month.

It is the latest piece of hi-tech kit to hit the streets after head cameras were issued to police in Chipping Norton and East Oxford earlier this year to record crime live.

Supt Brendan O'Dowda, Oxford Commander, said: "The BlackBerry will give officers access to many of the police computers systems while they are away from the station, meaning they will be able to stay out on visible patrol providing the reassurance and presence and service to their communities.

"They will have access to their Thames Valley Police Outlook email and calendar, the Police National Computer and other TVP computer systems for which they currently have to come back to the station to use.

select for full article!"This will allow them to be better and more quickly informed - and be able to stay out of the station on useful visible patrol for longer than at present."

In a bid to get more officers out of police stations and into Oxford communities, mini police bases have also been set up in George Street in the city centre, and at Barton, Blackbird Leys and Rose Hill.

The National Policing Improvement Agency (NPIA) is paying £637,000 to provide the BlackBerrys to about 1,200 Thames Valley Police officers, including up to 300 in Oxfordshire. Officers will also be able to access a photograph database to identify suspects or individuals on the streets - and the National Missing Persons Database.

The gadgets, which are a status symbol for City high rollers and businessmen, will also keep officers up-to-date with local events and community inform- ation.

A new extra-strong belt clip will be added to police officer's current kit to hold the Blackberry in place.

The crime-fighting equipment of today is a far cry from the traditional image of a bobby on the beat, with a whistle and wooden truncheon.

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select for full story A police community support officer in Keighley is set to help Namibian children receive an education.
11.5.08
PCSO Niel Holmes, 52, is taking unpaid leave from work to spend a month in the South African country building a shelter for school children to sleep in.

He will be leading a team of 20 young people with the World Challenge organisation.

Also a keen hill walker and canoe and raft builder, Mr Holmes said: "I will be going to live with an ancient tribe called the San Bush people. To send their children to school, the San Bush people have to pay for their children to stay in a nearby hostel, but many of them can't afford to do this, so their children don't go to school.

"Currently the San Bush people are having to sleep rough or in a dilapidated tent.

"But we will go out there in July and erect a marquee for them to stay in so they can go to school.

"After we have put up the marquee, we will also refurbish the playground and make a vegetable garden so that the people there can support themselves without having to pay for food."

Mr Holmes, whose previous career was in the armed forces, said he thought the Namibian experience would be a culture shock for him and the young people on the project.

He said: "I have got to the stage of life now where one of the reasons I wanted to become a PCSO is because I wanted to put something back into the community.

"This is also doing something for somebody else, which I will get a lot out of.

"I think the people that we are taking will have the cultural experience of their lives and the people that we are going to help out there can also see a different side of the western people coming to help them out."

From now until July Mr Holmes will collect English football shirts - which he is told are very popular in Namibia - for the San Bush children. To donate a shirt, call 07968 605395.

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paul261267
paul261267
  • Joined P.C.S.O com
    on 11 Feb 2005
  • Was a PCSO in 2004
    for 2 years until 2006
  • Started at SYP as a PCSO in January 2004

  • Resigned in September 2006

  • Now working as an HGV class 2 driver

I have been invited by Falkor to do a write up of my experiences as a PCSO, even though I resigned in September 2006 I think I can offer an insight into what it considered by many to be a pointless, thankless job. In some cases this may be true, however please bear in mind the “job” in my opinion, has not been given the funding and development it truly deserves.
On Johnno Hills

I have actually spoken to Johnno Hills by telephone and I can say that he is DEFINITELY NOT against the PCSO role in any shape or form. His main concerns are well published on his site for all to see so I won't go into that. He is more interested in the fact that the PCSO role is maybe not being used to it's full potential, and that fully fledged and trained Police Officers are tied to workstations in the local nick, completing an endless array of paperwork, while the PCSO's are out and about doing the "Policing" for less money and even lesser powers? After speaking to Johnno I got the impression that he is a very well educated, caring and dedicated bloke!

On the PS3 vs XBOX 360

I reckon they are both fantastic both graphically and in processing power, having tried both I think they are both very good.

After saying that, the best gaming station for me has to be the PC, but that is a different platform.

As for games, try Americas Army, a very realistic game developed by the good old USA army. It's a HUGE download if anyone would like to try it (1gig I think) But believe me, it's well worth the wait! Take a look here http://www.americasarmy.com

Past experiences as a PCSO

I applied to be a PCSO in 2004; I had not seen the job advert and was pointed towards it by my wife. I applied, went through the process and got in. The interview process was very different to the one that is in place now. For example there was no role playing test, no fitness test either. Basically there was an interview followed by a medical, that’s it! After a couple of weeks I was informed by telephone that I had been accepted and given a start date to attend training... Next up was uniform fitting which was uneventful.

Training

For want of a better word I thought the training was rubbish. There were about 20 of us all in a classroom at a fire service training school where we were rammed with info, most of which was more relative to actual police powers rather than those of a PCSO. The reason for this was so we could know what police officers powers “should” be, and we could point this out to them, should it be required!

We covered everything from the issuing of parking tickets (we had PCSO “traffic” on our epaulettes) Issuing section 59 warnings in relation to vehicles, and the confiscation of alcohol. We also did extensive training on diversity, and even more intensively covered was racism. All very needy subjects as the force I was employed by were very up to speed on these subjects. We were trained in crime prevention which I really enjoyed as it made you think about what was going on in a given, high crime area and we had to try to alleviate local problems. Finally came the self defence training, which was also very good.

All in all, we had a full 3 weeks of training before we were released in the public eye at out respective stations. 3 weeks of intensive training which I thought was far too much to take in, and I had forgotten most of it as the subjects was covered very quickly in order to fit it all into the very short time frame. I honestly felt that a huge net had been opened up from the ceiling and all this information had fallen into my head, it was in there, somewhere, if somewhat muddled and all out of place.

The job

My first day as a PCSO was very uneventful. I spent most of the day meeting all my new colleagues and the inspector. I was shown how to use the computer system, including the intranet and how to fill in the many forms and reports that are used on a daily basis, all basic stuff to be honest. Then I went out on patrol for a bit around the local area with my mentor PCSO. I knew the area very well anyway as I had spent many years driving buses around the area anyway, however I felt as though I was a huge lit up beacon in that bright yellow PCSO coat and everyone was looking at me. At least that’s how it felt, in truth probably no one even noticed us. My early days as a PCSO were fairly uneventful. We had the odd neighbour problem to sort out, if we couldn’t deal with it, it was passed to the beat manager for the particular area who would enforce any action as was required. We issued loads of section 59 warnings for a group of “scooter boys” in the area who would insist on pulling wheelies from the traffic lights. We used our powers of seizure on several occasions too when some people were caught out for a second time and their pride and joy ended up on the back of a recovery truck with a £105 bill coming their way.

Shortly after starting as a PCSO I was transferred to another SNT that had just opened up, again in an area I knew well. We were all there on the very first day of opening and we all had our pictures in the papers too.

This area was a lot bigger generally, but we had covered it at the SNT where I had transferred from so at least we knew all the problems, and we also knew most of the locals and the trouble causers too. So it was business as usual as far as I was concerned.

We helped out on traffic operations, directing traffic onto cordoned off areas for inspection either by VOSA, the DVLA or other agencies. We did ANPR operations and enforcement of local traffic laws where we were expected to stop moving traffic on the orders of a police officer who would issue tickets for various offences. I took part in bike operations where we would attempt to catch the riders of off road motorcycles. I even took an active part in the setting up of a local pub watch scheme which was very successful.

I have even taken part in giving first aid (CPR) on an elderly lady we found collapsed in the street, there was a group of people around her looking but no one knew what to do. We pushed through, cleared them all away and got to work immediately. Luckily there were 4 of us there as we had just been picked up and on our way back to the station for lunch so we had the manpower to control the situation from the outset. One of my male colleagues started the breaths whilst I did the chest compressions at a rate of 3 breaths to 20 compressions as there was no sign of life at all. My first chest compression was met with a loud crack, I thought I had gone in too strong and broken her ribs. I was informed by the paramedics afterwards the lady had been wear a corset, hence the cracking noise. Another of our team was getting instructions from the emergency operator after dialling 999 and passing them onto us. We all knew the lady was probably dead before we even arrived, her lips were blue and she had a head injury from falling and blood had covered the pavement. . We were all congratulated for our actions by the emergency team that arrived, although the lady unfortunately could not be revived. She had suffered a missive heart attack and died before she hit the floor. But we still gave our all for her; unfortunately it was not to be.

Anyone who takes a first aid course will maybe think that they won’t know what to do in an emergency, well take it from me you WILL know what to do. It all clicked into place for us and we just did it, maybe not exactly right but we still did it. And it was hard work too, I was knackered afterwards but the adrenaline was pumping during it all and I never noticed the kind of effort I was putting into saving her life until the ambulance crew arrived and took over, that’s when it hit me what I had done. I had a feeling of elation that at last someone had arrived with proper equipment and sadness that she was probably dead.

I decided to leave the job for personal reasons in September 2006, I honestly didn’t like the way the job was going. We were expected to check out drug dealers and users in my area, I wasn’t happy with this, after all we were supposed to work with the community not be put into potentially confrontational situations (even though the confiscation of alcohol and vehicles IS confrontational, although on a different scale?) with no relevant PPE. This type of activity is surely in the remit of a fully trained police officer…with search powers and the power of arrest should it be needed?

I took my class C LGV test in November 2006 and passed it first time. I then worked for various agencies until I got a full time job driving delivering doors windows and cubicles all over the UK and I have never been happier, I love to work on my own anyway so it’s ideal!

I have no regrets about leaving the PCSO role, I enjoyed most of the work and I honestly believe that it can be a worthwhile job. However in my opinion it can be a little toothless at times and needs a great deal of development. I would still highly recommend the job though and good luck to anyone who gets a chance to do it.

Paul Kiley                 5th April 2008

paul261267
paul261267
  • Joined P.C.S.O com
    on 11 Feb 2005
  • Was a PCSO in 2004
    for 2 years until 2006
  • Started at SYP as a PCSO in January 2004

  • Resigned in September 2006

  • Now working as an HGV class 2 driver

I have been invited by Falkor to do a write up of my experiences as a PCSO, even though I resigned in September 2006 I think I can offer an insight into what it considered by many to be a pointless, thankless job. In some cases this may be true, however please bear in mind the “job” in my opinion, has not been given the funding and development it truly deserves.
On Cycling on the Pavement

Cycling on the footpath, yes we know it's an offence, yes we know it can be dangerous too. However, at our station it was suggested to us that we send out letters (mainly to kids) and possibly issue fines to the said kids for such anti-social behaviour antics.

I declined to do so, instead choosing to advise them appropriately regarding the dangers of such activities. My supervision was not happy with my approach for some reason, maybe it's a losing revenue thing?

However, I would NOT under any circumstances instruct a child to use our congested and dangerous roads with a pedal cycle, what if there were an accident, would the PCSO, or indeed the Police Officer responsible for ordering a child to use a busy road be willing to meet the parents of the injured or killed child, maybe to explain their reasons for making such a request? I think not!

This subject should be approached with care in my opinion! Especially where kids are involved?

PCSO role used as a tool to play the numbers

I often felt that as a "PCSO" too much was expected of me, such as questioning drug dealers/users rather than interacting with the community, gathering intelligence and talking the the kids.

On another thread there has been mention that officers wouldn't jump in to water to attempt the save a childs life for fear of personal injury. Would they think about their safety as much whilst surrounded by a gang of louts on a street corner?

Not quite the same situation I'll admit, but think about the point!

The PCSO role is being used as a tool to play the numbers, always has been, always will be. In my opinion...

extracts from forums with kind permission of paul261267

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COMMUNITY OFFICERS WHO STOPPED RACE 'EXCEEDED AUTHORITY'

Tuesday 8th April 2008 - Keith Bingham

Two Police Community Support Officers who stopped a bike race were criticised for their actions by police sergeant James Makepeace (Wildside RT) who was riding it. He told them they had exceeded their authority.

The incident happened when the CSOs received a complaint about the Addiscombe CC Surrey Road Racing League 60-mile event on March 29.

According to Makepeace, a local resident had voiced concern about the safety of the event and asked the police to take a look.

The race was being held in heavy rain and strong cross winds and when the two police Community Support Officers (CSOs) saw riders echeloning out across the road they suggested to the commissaire that he stop the race.

Commissaire Keith Brooks, who had become concerned with the standard of riding in windy and wet conditions, agreed the race should be stopped. It was the manner in which it was stopped which caused concern. As Brooks waited his chance to get through the pack, the CSO's put their blue flashing light on and drove past the bunch.

As it was, only the main bunch was halted in the closing stages of the 60-mile second and third-category race. The leading break of 16 riders were out of sight and continued to the finish on the Henfold Circuit near Dorking, where Ben Wilson, a BC private member, won. There were 22 finishers. 20 dnfs, and 34 riders disqualified!

Makepeace, a former junior international, accused the Community Support Officers of driving dangerously.

"The issue for me was how they stopped the race," said Makepeace. "That's the commissaire's job. His decision.

"A police CSO is not a warranted police officer. They don't have the authority to put the blue light on when moving. They don't have the authority to stop a race," said Makepeace who described what happened.

"I heard a repeated beeping on a horn and looked back to see this silver jeep thing, with the lettering, Community Support Officers on the side. I heard shouting, and I thought what's he doing. The race was going downhill at 30mph. He was on the wrong side of the road and vehicles had to stop for him.

"Ahead was a right-hand bend and a T-junction where the race would go left. He pulled sharply into the junction, and stopped across both sides of the road. It was wet and dangerous. I saw riders run into the back of his vehicle. But no one was hurt.

select to read FULL ARTICLE"I told the CSO I was a police sergeant in Sussex who supervises CSOs! And he said to me, 'well this is Surrey, mate'. I told him that what he had done was more dangerous than the race!

"I said to him 'I know what you can do. You should know what you can do. But you don't know."

Makepeace has made a formal complaint to Surrey Police about the incident. "As far as organisation of the race is concerned, it was first class," added Makepeace.

Keith Brooks, the race commissaire, told Cycling Weekly that he had become concerned at what he described as "poor riding" in difficult conditions. "Unfortunately there were echelons. One rider ended up in a ditch, another touched wheels.

Cars approaching the race were forced to stop."

Unfortunately, they included the CSOs in their car, who had received a complaint about the race.

"They were very nice about it," said Brooks, "saying they didn'twant to stop the race, suggesting a talk afterwards in the dressing rooms.

"But then they followed the race and saw riders swinging out across the full width of road.

"They then said to me it will have to stop. I agreed. And they put their blue light on and drove past!"

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select for full storyA Police Community Support Officer has taken on a new role to help the local gay community fight hate crime.
Published Date: 07 March 2008
Location: Eastbourne
PCSO Stephanie Smith volunteered for the role of lesbian, gay, bi, transgender liaison officer for Eastbourne Police.

She put herself forward at the beginning of the year when Sussex Police introduced a number of minority group liaison officer roles.

PCSO Smith said, " I find it amazing that in this day and age the LGBT community are still suffering with hate crime related issues which need to be stopped."

Stephanie is urging anyone experiencing homophobic-related incidents due to their sexual orientation to come forward and make a stand.

She said, "Receiving gay-related jibes at a bar in the town has prompted me to write this so that people experiencing similar problems can feel they can report it in confidence.

"It is not always easy to know what to do or how to report such incidents so I will be distributing the True Vision Hate Crime packs to all bars and clubs in the Eastbourne area.

"These provide a quick and convenient way to report any problems you may have. "We need to spread awareness that anyone acting in a homophobic manner will be dealt positively by Sussex Police together with bar/club staff and will be ejected.

"Pubs and clubs need to be vigilant as to what is going on in their venues and not turn a blind eye."

PCSO Smith will be holding monthly surgeries at the Hart Pub on Cavendish Place and if you wish to make contact, please call on 0845 60 70 999 or e-mail: stephanie.smith@sussex.pnn.police.uk
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Divisional commander praises PCSOs work on community event
Police Community Support Officers have won an award for their organisation of a new community event in Shefford. select to view article

PCSOs Rachel Keen and Gill Richardson, who are part of the Shefford Safer Neighbourhood Team, have been given a divisional commander's recognition award from Chief Supt Andy Frost.

They were nominated for the award for their part in organising The Big Picture, which was held last year with the aim of finding out what issues residents in Shefford have and what can be done to improve the town. The event had been tried elsewhere in the county but this was the first one held in Mid Beds and due to its success it will now be rolled out in other towns.

"We were both really pleased and shocked when we found out we were called there for an award, it's a real honour to be recognised for our work."

For the full story see this week's edition of the BIggleswade Chronicle, out now.

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We need visible policing - but with back-up           22 January 2008
Sir, Martin Samuel’s parody of the Cheshire police would be funny (Comment, Jan 18) if it were not so frighteningly true. Police forces in general have largely given up proactive policing. Here in Somerset a real police officer on the beat is a very rare site. You may find community support officers chatting to noisy youths or asking beggars to move on, but they have no powers of arrest and command no respect among criminals. We do not want community support but community protection and that will only come from vigorous law enforcement by highly visible police officers. The public has lost faith in a police force that it perceives as being officiously present to enforce political correctness or minor traffic offences but loath to get to grips with violent crime.

Richard English
Norton-sub-Hamdon, Somerset

Sir, The inhibitors to police dealing with antisocial behaviour are: the volume of administration associated with arrest; that an arrest reduces the number of already scarce officers on the street leaving yobs to run riot; that forces have had to make significant cuts because of falling budgets; micromanagement by the Government; and, a point that no senior police officer dare agree with, the overemployment of young women. I do not doubt their courage or commitment, just their presence and physical strength. Most public order arrests involve the use of force and officers need to know when they call for help that some “bulk” will arrive, not a 9-stone young woman. Much of the above have let yobs get away with a great deal more than their fathers would have ever attempted, knowing that they have little chance of arrest and even less chance of being investigated for criminal damage or minor assault. Public-order policing has to be impactive, very firm, consistent and with a lot of officers directed at problem areas. This means something else will have to give. So what should that be?

Robert Bartlett
Brockham, Surrey

Sir, For too long the police have held the view that community policing should embrace all members of society. It should not. There are those who, by their behaviour, exclude themselves from this softly, softly approach. They require a more robust approach from officers, as Mr Samuel says, who “have a mandate to deal with any incident in the manner they see fit”. But there lies the rub. There are many in our society, including senior officers, who, while publicly condemning the offenders and offering condolences to the victims, would not be prepared to take the forthright action to confront the thugs on our streets properly. This problem can be solved. It may not be pretty, and a few people may have their civil liberties infringed. Senior officers will need to be less “pink and fluffy” and the courts will need to pass the sentences commensurate with the offences. A small price to pay to protect the likes of Mr Newlove.

V. Hill
Worcester

Sir, To attack the police alone is missing some key areas of responsibility. Certainly the police should deter and punish senseless acts of barbarism, but they will only be able to do this if there is full support from the rest of society, most notably parents and the Government.

The police want to do their job but they are handcuffed by bureaucracy, political correctness and a legal system that still favours the perpetrator.

If we are to prevent our society from destroying itself through stupidity and weakness then we must force parents to take full responsibility for their children, and allow the police and the legal system to control crime properly with laws that actively protect from mindless and thuggish behaviour.

Matthew Minshall
King’s Lynn, Norfolk


select for full story New Deepings PCSO Karen Dobson is hoping to eradicate anti-social behaviour.

Published Date: 22 January 2008
Source: Lincolnshire Free Press
Location: Spalding
Bid to crack down on anti-social behaviour
By Adam Uren

A new Police Community Support Officer (PCSO) for The Deepings wants to stamp out anti-social behaviour in the area.

PCSO Karen Dobson has transferred to the area from the Bourne community team and has settled quickly on her new beat.

A former special constable, Karen jumped at the chance to become a PCSO and has worked as one since October 2006.

She said: "I would hope I can help alleviate the minority that has become the anti-social behaviour element in the area if that is possible."

Karen will work with PCSO Chris Clarke covering Market Deeping and Deeping St James between 8am and 10pm, Monday to Friday and 9am to 6pm at weekends.

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We need visible policing - but with back-up            22 January 2008
Street crime, petty crime, antisocial behaviour - seems you all want more and tougher policing. But Why are these people behaving like this? They have no job and no prospect o one. Their fathers and grandfathers had decent jobs in mills, mines and factories, railways and farms - these jobs are either gone to the four corners of the world or have become so low paid that unemployment is an affordable alternative. With no future, no prospects, what do we expect this lost generation to do?

Policing is not the problem. Economic decay of the working class's world is.

These young people need a reason to participate in society. We don't give them one, other than empty threats of a punishment they are not scared of.

Mark, Grays, Essex

What should that be, Mr Bartlett? The administration. Every nick should have a couple of clerical officers to handle all the paperwork associated with all the arrests, working from the arresting officer`s recorded commentary of the event and perhaps a few brief words at the station. If the accused has to sit around on a hard chair while this is done, tough. The officer can be off harvesting another yob.

Rosemary , Germany,


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