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From: m_clements207
To: falkor
Posted: 13 Sep 2007 05:23
Subject: Re: standard powers?

I looked for this information as I felt that extra powers are required within my force (Northumbria) and heard that standard powers were being issued in future months. I feel that in this current climate of health and safety amongst members of the public and the police family, extra powers are required. I feel that PCSO's are working within communities as a high visibility presence, but I also feel that we should also be there to protect the public and if that includes detaining suspects on suspicion of theft, and on offences such as drunk and disorderly then so be it. Personally, I feel that we should have been issued with the power to detain, and the power to stop vehicles and issue HORT 1 (producers) to drivers. Giving us these extra powers would make us more effective on the beats we work on, and help to relieve pressure on our already overstretched PC's. check your 2008 PCSO
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The new list of standard powers that will be introduced on the 1st December, in my opinion, is a waste of time. In my force the new list will make no difference. As the study shows, powers to detain were originally planned, but due to further discussion this power was taken out of the list. I think it is so frustrating to know that if an incident does happen in my presence, I wouldn't have the power to deal with it. I certainly don't agree with some discussions over the handout of Cuffs and CS spray to CSO's, although I feel extra powers are needed to make us a more effective part of the police family. I just hope in future months, the powers that be will see that giving us extra powers in certain areas of our remit will help to reduce crime, disorder and anti-social behaviour in the villages, towns and cities we work in. From: m_clements207
To: falkor
Posted: 13 Sep 2007 05:23
Subject: Re: standard powers?

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From: Arthur ASCII
To: falkor
Posted: 18 Sep 2007 07:17
Subject: Re: 2008 PCSO POWERS

The Government exercise that has led to the proposed list of "standard powers" is nothing more than re-arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. As long as individual Chief Officers can "pick 'n' mix" from the list of powers (often hamstrung by conflict with local government), nothing much will change. The debate should have concentrated on redefining the role of the PCSO and how they can better support the work of Police Officers. We spend much time on our Safer Community Teams canvassing local residents for their opinions, only to discover that we are powerless to directly address their most important concerns due to the vagaries of our individual Force policies (I have no powers to directly address parking violations for instance). This undermines the confidence of the community, as they often see us as impotent. check your 2008 PCSO
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IMHO there are two issues that need to be urgently addressed:
  • Working with Police Officers - The working group should have examined the work breakdown of Police Officers to see where PSCOs might ease their workload by shouldering some of their more onerous tasks (initial attendance at sudden death calls and Informing relatives of bereavement for example). Also, the Working Group should re-examine the "grading" of jobs. I'm sure most of us will agree that many jobs currently graded 2 or 3 could be handled by PCSOs who, after all, often know the people concerned and can sometimes solve a dispute through negotiation and advice, thus eliminating the need for arrest and the paperwork trail that accompanies it.
  • Making PCSOs more effective within their Communities - Hi-vis provides a deterrent but it also acts as a magnet for people to report incidents. When they do not see us addressing their immediate concerns as they expect (and as a Police Officer might), their disappointment leads to a loss of confidence in the ethos of PCSOs.

What changes will the new list of Standard Powers usher in?.... Very few I expect.

From: Arthur ASCII
To: falkor
Posted: 18 Sep 2007 07:17
Subject: Re: 2008 PCSO POWERS

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The Powers coming into force on 1st December still do little to assist PCSO's in their day to day duties and the reality of the role. The majority of the powers that would "give us teeth" and assist in making us effective are still at Chief Officers discretion. The fact that this is the case will do little to allay public confusion and nothing in creating a national standard. PCSO's will again have little legislation to fall back upon to assist their PC colleagues and certainly in my force reducing red tape. At the moment all FPN's for disorder cannot be street issued, the suspect must be taken to custody to be ID's on livescan and documented. BTW PCSo's in my Force cannot issue FPN's for disorder. I think the most important Powers have been ignored, particularly powers to detain and to search. Often we need to detain a person for a PC to attend, usually kids with booze and or drugs, at the moment we ask them to wait (this is a unlawful detention) or ask them to turn out their bag / pockets (unlawful search). This is leaving PCSO's open to complaints and discipline and rightfully so, and also the force to litigation which as we all know can be costly. From: Big-Si
To: falkor
Posted: 18 Sep 2007 09:29
Subject: Re: 2008 PCSO POWERS

New clarity over PCSOs’ role as powers extended
SURREY’S Police Community Support Officers (PCSOs) have been given new powers in a Government led initiative to provide consistency in their work across the country.

Nine extra powers have been added to the 13 that the Force’s 222 PCSOs and 22 Roads PCSOs have been able to exercise up until now as they take on the 20 standard powers introduced nationwide and retain two local ones.

PCSO Manager Inspector David Hollingsworth said: “A lot of people have not really been sure of what a community support officer can and can’t do in relation to low-level enforcement but, with the new standard powers, everyone should know precisely what their role entails.

“Apart from consistency across all forces, the benefit is that PCSOs will also be able to assist in a number of new areas and deal with more of the things that cause concern to local neighbourhoods.

“It is an extremely positive move forward as PCSOs now represent a significant body of people and they are playing an increasingly important role in the community to help tackle local problems.”

READ MORE IN SURREY POLICE's the DEC/JAN issue of their paper "OFFBEAT"
    Surrey PCSO powers
    • Anti-social behaviour
      • Require name and address

  • Alcohol & Tobacco
    • Require person drinking in designated places to surrender alcohol
    • Require persons under 18 to surrender alcohol
    • Seize tobacco from persons under 16
    • Seize drugs and require name and address for unlawful possession*

  • Enforcement
    • Require name and address for relevant offences (some new offences)*
    • Photograph persons away from police stations*

  • Environmental
    • Issue fixed penalty notices (FPN) for littering
    • Issue FPN under dog control orders*
    • Remove abandoned vehicles

    • Transport
      • Issue FPN for cycling on footpaths
      • Stop cycles*
      • Control/direct traffic*
      • Carry out road checks
      • Require name and address for road traffic offences*
      • Place signs*
      • Seize vehicles used to cause alarm

    • Security
      • Enter and search premises to save life and limb
      • Stop and search in areas authorised under the Terrorism Act 2000*
      • Enforce cordoned areas under the Terrorism Act 2000*

      *New powers

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From: Big-Si
To: falkor
Posted: 18 Sep 2007 09:29
Subject: Re: 2008 PCSO POWERS

If PCSO's were designated with powers to detain and to search we would be able to stop detain / search for alcohol / drugs without awaiting a PC's presence. It is interesting that the contentious issue of detaining with reasonable force is still at the CC's discretion as well, this is the legislation allowing PPE to be issued. Personally I feel that we should be issued with PPE, certainly we spend a greater proportion on patrol than the PC's and are at greater risk of being assaulted statistically, a colleague was bottled two weeks ago and we struggled to make a citizens arrest and sat on the suspect until backup arrived. I do have concerns, though that the issue of PPE could lead to PCSO's being taken away from what they are supposed to be doing though, it would be all too easy for control room staff to send a PCSO to a shoplifter to detain / cuff them awaiting a PC's arrival. PPE should be for defence use, not to be routinely detaining people. I feel let down by the designation of these powers and feel that ACPO level and above have little understanding of the reality of the role and what we actually do. check your 2008 PCSO
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From: TheRunningMan2006
To: falkor
Posted: 18 Sep 2007 09:37
Subject: Re: 2008 PCSO POWERS

The introduction of these 'new' powers seems to only confirm what I have suspected for a while; that the government may be slowing down it's development of PCSO's. Firstly, the recruitment numbers were cut, and now this. I can't help but think that the government changed it's mind somewhere along the lines, after all, any new significant powers would have created yet another stir. On the other hand however, I can accept that it may be a step forward for PCSO's - this new document may just be a way of setting stone. We can all talk about what powers PCSO's should have. But the government is facing fierce opposition and is most likely in for a tough general election. No doubt Mr Brown will not want his police force undermined by backtracking on PCSO's or by just throwing powers at them. I believe that as a PCSO I need the power to issue producers and give more FPN's to make my job complete. But where do we actually draw the line? We must rememeber our sole role is not just to enforce the law. That's what police officers are there for. check your 2008 PCSO
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I'm not sure these powers change much, it doesn't make a difference to many PCSO's. Mark (m_clements207) speaks about protecting the public. I believe that as PCSO's you already have this power, the power you need to do this is in common law. I think that what Mark may be addressing is that more powers are needed to tackle what counts to the public; quality of life issues I.E. ASB. The issues that hit us ALL hard. (I apologise if I am wrong by the way Mark!). But again, these 'new' powers don't really help PCSO's help the public. I mean, cycling on a footpath? (What? Why...?) What PCSO's really needed was more powers to control ASB. But there's still time yet! PCSO's have developed a lot in the past few years, and I have a feeling we will be seeing more documents like this in the future." From: TheRunningMan2006
To: falkor
Posted: 18 Sep 2007 09:37
Subject: Re: 2008 PCSO POWERS


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STANDARD POWERS BACKGROUND
 
The Home Office announced on the 18th January that the following powers should become STANDARD for all PCSOs
 
Environmental Powers

Transport Powers

Alcohol and tobacco powers

Powers to tackle anti-social behaviour

Enforcement powers

Security powers

FULL STORY AND FURTHER INFO HERE

 
 



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