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Re: What to the Public think of PCSO's?

by Headset 57 » Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:21 am

My colleague was on telly tonight ( her turn this time, i took a back seat ) as they wanted her views on muslim officers:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7351570.stm ,2 minutes into video

Re: What to the Public think of PCSO's?

by Marlon » Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:48 pm

tim419 wrote:Is that all you could find to pick on?!


Pick on? :?:

I'm sorry for attempting to broaden the scope of the comment beyond a London-centric viewpoint :roll:

Re: What to the Public think of PCSO's?

by tim419 » Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:04 pm

Is that all you could find to pick on?!

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by Marlon » Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:52 pm

tim419 wrote: You're not ... the only patrolling unit out there.
tim419 wrote: In areas where police officer presence has been allowed to diminsh to a wafer-thin level ...

... there are whole rural communities out there where the PCSO team is the ONLY visible police presence regularly seen.


Some contradiction there Tim, which I think probably tells you more about the differences between London vs. some of the county forces, than anything else.

by tim419 » Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:12 am

Cor what a load of old sour milk! Well neither of these guests tell us where they work, so forgive me for going on about London again. My area is very well served by a highly competent, professional team of fully trained police officers and fully trained PCSOs. The SNTs patrol both town centre, residential areas, schools, train stations etc.

All members of the teams work together as equals - there is no "stigma" I have come across, and certainly not "contempt". FAR FROM IT.

Our PCSOs back us up without hesitation and get the same response back. Take PCSOs away and my workload doubles overnight. It's NEVER a "waste of time" going to help or back up a PCSO, no matter what the situation is, or how "minor" it may be.

It's all very well saying "more PCs" - well how does that help the community when they too spend hours off the street in custody?

In areas where police officer presence has been allowed to diminsh to a wafer-thin level, can we please not have a go at the PCSOs left to pick up the pieces?

Like I've said before, there are whole rural communities out there where the PCSO team is the ONLY visible police presence regularly seen. That's neither the fault of the hard-working police officers or their dedicated PCSO colleagues.

Let's remember we're all on the same side, and recognise just how important both our roles are to the people we meet out on our streets each day!

THE BIG BLUFF

by ELLIS74 » Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:04 pm

I WORK FOR MY LOCAL COUNCIL AS A COMMUNITY PATROL OFFICER AND WORK WITH THE SAME RESTRAINTS CSOS HAVE AND DEAL WITH ALOT OF ASB MAINLY YTHS DRINKING,USUAL STUFF.
I HAVE PERSONALLY ASSISTED CSOS ON A NUMBER OF OCCAISONS AS THERE HAVE BEEN NO POLICE OFFICERS AVAIL,THE YTHS OF TODAY KNOW THE LACK OF POWERS WE HOLD AND ALSO THE POWERS THAT BE ALSO KNOW WHEN PUTTING US IN THESE SITUATIONS.
GIVE THE POWERS TO DO THE JOB PROPERLY OR NOT AT ALL AND MAYBE THE STIGMA SURROUNDING CSOS AND COMMUNITY WARDENS(PLASI POLICEMEN) WOULD VANISH AND THE REGULAR POLICE COULD CONTINUE TO DO THEIR JOB WITHOUT RESPONDING TO OUR CALLS AND THEN DEFUSING THE CONTEMPT THAT THE POLICE HAVE FOR WORKERS LIKE OURSELVES.

cso feelings of public

by adamson982 » Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:28 pm

what a waste of tax payers money csos are we want police on the streets who can inforce the law not a shadow force in fancy dress with no powers who have to call for one of us regulars to do the job properly.
Nothing personnal against the people who do this role just the reality of many serving police officers views.
if the goverment invested the money allocated to the csos into the regulars we could have alot more bodies on the streets dealing with asb and other relevent issues.

by ANTHONY C » Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:57 pm

tim419 wrote:Oh dear, maybe you don't understand the purpose of your role. You're not a lion with no teeth, neither are you the only patrolling unit out there.

The PCSO and police roles are very different - you don't need more of our powers to make a success of yours.
tim419 you are right we don't need your powers to make us a success but some more would probably make our job easier, i appriciate that it could turn into an never ending quest for more power and perhaps the balance is about right now i personally don't think that is, but i am only a very small cog in this well oiled machine.

by angi_bpool » Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:57 pm

I must admit I don't even start my job until 18th February and the only bad comment I've had is from my uncle!! lol (plastic bobby)

I work in a hospital and am secretary to over 54 consultants and everyone of them has wished me luck and said they respect me for going into such a difficult job with a big stimga attached to the role.

Most have said that they totally understand the role and they would much rather have a PCSO sat with an old lady for hours talking through ASB (doing their proper job) than a PC doing it (and not doing his proper job) so I'm not worried about the public at all really!!

I understand that I'll come across a few more people like my uncle but it doesn't bother me coz I know the majority of the public really do appreciate and respect PCSO's and what they do!!!!

Bring it on!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D

by tim419 » Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:52 pm

Oh dear, maybe you don't understand the purpose of your role. You're not a lion with no teeth, neither are you the only patrolling unit out there.

The PCSO and police roles are very different - you don't need more of our powers to make a success of yours.

by Cador » Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:38 am

Into my second year now...and the public perception has changed, as has the job.

Initailly there were reservations, followed by some surprise and in some cases great acclaim, however, now the majority realise that - though no fault of our own - we are 'Lions without Teeth' but still support us because they know and trust us.

And, if no one else is going to patrol the streets - you might as well make do with your old faithfull lions.

Waiting for my dentures

Cador

by alihowe » Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:14 am

indpen5@tiscali.co.uk
welcome to the site.

Why don't you register and carry on chatting with us :idea: You make some valid points :D

PCSO

by indpen5@tiscali.co.uk » Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:45 pm

The public do appear to like the pcso's very much indeed at the present time, however, it is also very apparent that this is very short-term perception; as once they start hearing about and indeed seeing first hand that we are unable to PROTECT and SERVE the community in the way that they expect and indeed deserve, the public support will soon die away.

The absolute nonsense that we are 'non confrontational' is beginning to unravel faster than the American's military strategy in Vietnam. I admit this does totally depend on which area you are posted to, nethertheless, my own experiences as a pcso reveal one absolute truth - if pcso's are not given adequate protection, dependant on area and tasking, it is a disaster waiting to happen.

Keep the faith - Semper Fi

Cador

by alihowe » Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:04 pm

ANTHONY C wrote:But do you have the power!
I think we've got most of the powers to deal with these people. We have a dispersal order for the town centre, and believe me that's the best thing we've ever had. If twor or more people are acting in an anti-social manner then they can be dispersed from the town centre for up to 48hrs if we deem this fit. We can do the same with alcohol, not just the youths, if two or more drinkers are causing ASB or likely to cause ASB then we can tip their booze away and disperse them. We can issue £80 FPN's for sec 5 public order, which includes urinating in a public place....... obviously this has to cause alarm, harassment or distress to someone. We have many ways we can deal with trouble makers without calling up for a Police Officer every five minutes. Obviously if an arrest is necessary then of course we call up.

by ANTHONY C » Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:03 am

What can i say(perhaps humour is difficult to get on a forum for some!)

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