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26th March - Are You Coming?

Post by Arthur ASCII » Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:16 am

On 26 March 2011, thousands of people will join the TUC march in London, to tell the government that savage spending cuts are unnecessary and unfair.

We don't believe the coalition when they say we are all in this together – their public service cuts will hit the most vulnerable the hardest.

There is an alternative
  • fair taxation
  • investment in our local communities, health and education
  • a more equal and just society
I've seen a lot of misery over the last few months as valued support staff colleagues have been made redundant and the services available to the most vulnerable people in my local community are slashed to the bone - and it's set to get worse.

I'll be there, along with colleagues from the East Midlands Police Staff Unison branches (plus my daughter who's a Health Care Assistant in a local hospital).

Is anyone else going?

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Re: 26th March - Are You Coming?

Post by Bert Moffat » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:35 pm

What sort of support staff roles have been made redundant arthur?

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Re: 26th March - Are You Coming?

Post by JCH » Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:12 pm

probably easier to say what police staff roles haven't mate

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Re: 26th March - Are You Coming?

Post by Bert Moffat » Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:17 pm

So some have already been paid-off?

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Re: 26th March - Are You Coming?

Post by Arthur ASCII » Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:41 am

Bert Moffat wrote:What sort of support staff roles have been made redundant arthur?
Hi Bert. My Force is probably one of the least affected in that we've planned ahead since the global recession started. nevertheless, the sheer scale of the cuts required and the short period in which they must be achieved have made things difficult.

Each area of the business is undergoing a "rationalisation process" to identify jobs that can be shed. There is then a process that includes PDR records and interviews that singles out the individuals who will go (voluntary redundancies are considered). These individuals may have a slight chance of being re-employed in other vacant positions if they have transferable skills, but there isn't much recruiting of course. One of our Unison Reps is involved in the process in each business area to ensure that there is no breach of protocol by Management, and we have been able to provide some free training in CV writing and interview skills for our members who have lost their jobs.

To answer your specific question; no-one is safe. Fingerprints, custody, SOCO, front Desk, Criminal Justice, Control Room, training, Stats, Crime Prevention, Casualty Reduction Unit, Human Resources... the list goes on.

I'm afraid that I don't have a figure for the number of Police Staff who have lost their jobs - the process is a continuing one, but it's dozens and dozens, and we're a relatively small Force.

But it's worse than that. Every partner agency that I deal with is shedding jobs. For a quick example, I attended a multi-agency meeting at my local secondary school yesterday to discuss the behaviour of some students in order to get some support in place for them and their families. Not only is there very little cash to provide alternative education options, some of those problem students already placed in specialist provision are to be returned to mainstream education because of cuts in funding. Teaching staff are horrified, because these students are extremely disruptive. And worse than that, some teaching staff are facing compulsory redundancy because the school budget is in deficit.

We're not just marching for selfish reasons to "protect our own", we're protesting to try and make the government see that it's the weak, vulberable and poor who are most affected by these savage cuts.

Will you be there to stand alongside us Bert?

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Re: 26th March - Are You Coming?

Post by Bert Moffat » Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:56 am

Afraid not - 12 hr dayshift that day.

Thanks for the update though, I am on a Force "focus" group looking ahead at changes in the workplace and I despair also.

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Re: 26th March - Are You Coming?

Post by typecastboy » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:14 am

In and ideal world, I believe that Police, Healthcare and Education should have as much money as is necessary, within reason. Cuts to these core services is scandalous when there is so much money that is wasted and given to overseas causes. Charity starts at home as far as I am concerned.

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Re: 26th March - Are You Coming?

Post by tnpmonkey » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:33 pm

I agree with typecast boy :P

As well, there is so much more to cut besides the emergency services. They just need to get hold of councils.

e.g Canterbury City Council even with the cuts and laying off hundreds of workers just paid out nearly £40,000 on a sheet to cover the front of the library building whilst its getting refurbed, the sheet has a print so it looks like the real building. What a waste!!

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Post by steven » Sat Mar 19, 2011 2:41 am

Personally i think the NHS should be the organisation getting looked at.
Too many middle managers.
Although it's harsh, I think America has it right where if you don't pay insurance, there's no treatment. Maybe we need to try that for a few years.
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Re: 26th March - Are You Coming?

Post by Arthur ASCII » Sat Mar 19, 2011 6:04 am

steven wrote:Personally i think the NHS should be the organisation getting looked at.
Too many middle managers.
Although it's harsh, I think America has it right where if you don't pay insurance, there's no treatment. Maybe we need to try that for a few years.
Wake up! the NHS IS getting looked at. It is estimated that at least 21,000 jobs were lost by February this year - many of them the "front line" jobs that we were told would be safe. Middle Managers are conducting the process for goodness sake. Where do you suppose they are recommending that the axe will fall?

And as for the American system. Careful what you wish for. That sort of "walk by on the other side" system is fine for the well-off, but if you or your loved ones are unlucky enough to contract a serious or long term illness you'd better be prepared to re-mortgage your house or take out a huge loan you'll be paying off for the rest of your life. You'll never afford comprehensive healthcare insurance on a PCSOs pay.

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Post by Big Brother » Sat Mar 19, 2011 8:12 am

Arthur ASCII wrote:And as for the American system. Careful what you wish for. That sort of "walk by on the other side" system is fine for the well-off, but if you or your loved ones are unlucky enough to contract a serious or long term illness you'd better be prepared to re-mortgage your house or take out a huge loan you'll be paying off for the rest of your life. You'll never afford comprehensive healthcare insurance on a PCSOs pay.

Also watch the Michael Moore film "Sicko". The American system is awful. People are treated like commodities, sick people are thrown out of hospital if they can't pay. One woman was sent to a public clinic with an IV tube still in her arm.....
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Re: 26th March - Are You Coming?

Post by steven » Sat Mar 19, 2011 12:49 pm

For too long Britain has been a "health tourism" spot where people from all over the world come to have treatment as it is either not available or too expensive where they live. If you're paying your tax and national insurance contributions then fine, if not, you're not getting.

I don't hear anything on the news of any other public sector employment getting the kind of squeeze the police are. I would take the pay freeze for three years but to lose the increments and be expected to contribute more pension for longer? be real.
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Re: 26th March - Are You Coming?

Post by Arthur ASCII » Sun Mar 20, 2011 6:03 am

steven wrote:For too long Britain has been a "health tourism" spot where people from all over the world come to have treatment as it is either not available or too expensive where they live.
If you study the facts about medical tourism (IPS data) instead of reading the popular Press, you will discover that the number of inbound medical tourists has been decreasing year-on-year, and that by by 2009 (the last year for which figures are available) a balance was struck (51,000 each way) but that in 2005, 6 and 7 more UK residents went abroad for medical treatment than came over here. Many of those still coming here from abroad of course, are Brit ex-pats who fled abroad because of "the state our country's in" and then got sick in their tax havens on the Costa Del Sol etc and realised that things in Blighty aren't so bad after all. Many haven't paid tax or NI in the UK for donkey's years but they come home when they become infirm to take advantage of our free health care.
steven wrote:If you're paying your tax and national insurance contributions then fine, if not, you're not getting.
That'll be everyone on disability benefit then. Perhaps we should build some camps for them to live in...? :slna:
steven wrote:I don't hear anything on the news of any other public sector employment getting the kind of squeeze the police are. I would take the pay freeze for three years but to lose the increments and be expected to contribute more pension for longer? be real.
Perhaps you should read more widely on the subject. You would then see that 20-25% is the amount that every part of the Public Sector is being made to shrink by.

Never mind though, at least our doctors will be earning £300,000 a year when part-privatisation is introduced :slrog:

But, back to the topic in-hand...

Are you coming to Westminster on 26th March to let our politicians know what damage they are doing? :slbx:

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Re: 26th March - Are You Coming?

Post by steven » Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:29 pm

I would because if we sit back and do nothing the government will do what they want (although they probably would anyway) but if there is a show of protest, they will know why they didn't get voted in again.

Unfortunately I'm at work then.
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Post by Gualsa » Sun Mar 20, 2011 3:53 pm

steven wrote:Personally i think the NHS should be the organisation getting looked at.
Too many middle managers.
Although it's harsh, I think America has it right where if you don't pay insurance, there's no treatment. Maybe we need to try that for a few years.

I dont think we should go quite that far as many would not be able to afford health care. However, I am strongly in favour of billing anyone who gets picked up by ambulance because they are drunk or otherwise intoxicated. That would be a good start. The A&E on a Friday night is a war zone full of drunk idiots.

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