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anyone up for a 500m shield run?

Post by falkor » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:03 pm

Police forces are still trying to enforce the ‘riot shield run’ despite an employment tribunal ruling it discriminatory.
from the January issue of POLICE
Female officers at the Police Federation’s National Reserve Seat meeting last month reported how they are still being made to do the 500-metre run in full riot gear with a shield although it is not deemed to be essential for an officer in public order situations.

Julie Nesbit, chair of the Federation’s Constables’ Central Committee and member of the reserve seat group, said: “We hope that the judgement which ruled the shield run as discriminatory will trickle down into forces. Some forces have obviously not caught up with the ruling and they could leave themselves open to action against them if they continue to enforce the tests.”

The ruling came in June last year when Inspector Diane Bamber, 51, supported by Manchester Police Federation, brought an age and sex discrimination case against her force at an employment tribunal.

The officer, who has served for more than 30 years, had been attending an Initial Public Order Commanders’ Course in Manchester back in 2008 and told the tribunal she had been led to believe she would not have to take part in the shield run.

However, she was told she would be taking part and did not complete the test – a 500-metre run in full riot kit within two minutes 45 seconds. She could not do the run in the allocated time and as a result was told she could not complete the rest of the training course.

Ian Hanson, chair elect of Manchester Police Federation, said: “It is absolutely incredible that forces are ignoring a judicial finding that the test is unlawful and discriminatory. Not only are they ignoring the judgement they are leaving themselves open to potentially massive bills in potential litigation.”

The shield run test was set up in the Met following the riots at Notting Hill Carnival in the 1980s but was adopted by other forces, despite having little scientific veracity.

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Re: anyone up for a 500m shield run?

Post by steve999 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:20 pm

We have scrapped it and now do a shuttle run for 5 mins (or something) with no PSU kit on and push & pull on a machine for 5 reps. It is a farce...we all laughed when they showed us what we had to do..............even the trainers laughed and said blame the female Insp. from Manchester who got a few bob from the claim (probably retired as she had done 30 years service). :slsa:

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Post by Marlon » Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:39 pm

steve999 wrote:We have scrapped it and now do a shuttle run for 5 mins (or something) with no PSU kit on and push & pull on a machine for 5 reps.



Just by-the-by NPIA site currently recommends level 6.3 on the bleep test and the standard entry level 34/35kg on the push/pull for PSU officers. IIRC the standard entry level for the bleep test is level 5.4.




Can anybody clarify why the shield run was found to be discriminatory?

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Re: anyone up for a 500m shield run?

Post by steve999 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:12 pm

From memory, the female was going on the bronze course or something, and she asked if she had to do the fitness test and was told no. When she arrived for the course she was td that she had to do it to pass the course and failed the test. She had to leave the course and was humiliated in front of her flow insp. therefore she sued for her feelings and won as she then went on to prove that there was no scientific reason for the test she had to complete, so won her case. I am sure she got £50k but may be wrong.

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Re: anyone up for a 500m shield run?

Post by falkor » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:38 pm

are female officers doing the same job as male officers or not?

simple question

what's the answer?

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Re: anyone up for a 500m shield run?

Post by Arthur ASCII » Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:16 am

What is wrong with female officer's Fed reps pointing out the perpetuation of outdated practices that have already been condemned by tribual?

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Re: anyone up for a 500m shield run?

Post by falkor » Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:59 am

because in a riot you could quite easily find that a police riot unit might well need to run 500m in full riot gear as fast as possible

think of the London riots last year, Manchester riots ?

riots don't always allow riot equipped cops to move around in their vans because it would be quicker to just run the 500m to where they are needed FAST (urgent assistance? arson? Ambos needing help?)

no scientific reason for the test ? says who!? :slwoot:

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Re: anyone up for a 500m shield run?

Post by steve999 » Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:16 pm

You only run as fast as the slowest officer or the line will split and officers will get hit by objects on their sides (no protection)

no scientific reason for the test ? says who!? :slwoot:
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She won her case as the force could not prove the scientific reasoning for the test. If their is no reason for doing something then it can't be done, says legal Dept.

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Re: anyone up for a 500m shield run?

Post by steven » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:17 am

Done my two day psu induction not so long ago. Steve999 is right, the pace is set by the slowest officer, however there is the pressure to keep up with everyone else and the few who get the "red mist" and race ahead.

It was a hard two days but I really enjoyed it.
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